ILI: History Makers Leadership Podcast
Explore the transformative journey that is leadership. In each episode, we will dive deep into strategies, stories, insights, and the core values that shape and inspire effective Christian leaders who make an impact - all around the globe. Get ready to unlock your leadership potential.
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ILI: History Makers Leadership Podcast
Ep. 38 | Rethinking Your Strategic Planning - Part 2
Dr. Joel Wood joins us on the History Makers Leadership Podcast to share his insightful journey through ministry. Discover how Joel's passion for strategic planning evolved during his doctorate in ministry and how he now sees himself as a visionary 'architect' helping to craft ministry pathways for success.
Drawing on his experiences at Lighthouse Church, Joel discusses the process of redefining vision and its pivotal role in shaping decision-making and strategies.
Unleash your leadership potential and transform ideas into impactful actions with insights from our latest episode featuring Joel Wood. We promise you'll walk away with fresh perspectives on overcoming the common pitfalls that hinder innovation, using Kodak's story as a powerful cautionary example. Embrace change by learning to adapt methods while holding firmly to your core values, whether leading in a corporate landscape or managing the dynamics of a household.
When strategically planning with your team, discover the importance of understanding your audience's needs and how to drive innovation without deep pockets by focusing on what truly matters. This episode also explores fostering collaboration, where inviting diverse voices can lead to groundbreaking ideas and a culture of inclusivity that extends even to family traditions.
We will dive into the power of perspective shifts and strategic planning through the lens of "whiteboard leadership." Learn how to continually recreate your plans to focus on what's truly important, with guidance aligning with your faith and values.
We celebrate the global impact of Christian leadership through core values, empowering over 400,000 leaders to make a difference—special thanks to Joel Wood and Lighthouse Church for their dedication to advancing these ideals.
Resources:
Joel's New Book - Whiteboard Leadership
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Welcome to the History Makers Leadership Podcast, where we explore the transformative journey that is leadership. Each episode, we will dive deep into strategies, stories, insights and the core values that shape and inspire effective Christian leaders who make an impact all around the globe. This podcast is brought to you by the International Leadership Institute. Now get ready to unlock your leadership potential and let's change history together.
Speaker 2:Hi and welcome back to the History Makers Leadership Podcast. I'm excited to be joined by Joel Wood. My name is Daniel Druski and we want to have a conversation, as we're starting off this year, talking through innovation, talking through and really just kind of continuing our conversation about how to move from those ideas into those practical actions and movement right. I think every year or there are seasons in every leader's life where they're seeking out that new thing. But the habits can be so simple and habitual, they're so easy to fall back into. And so, joel, as we think through innovations, we think through how do we accomplish those new things that we're looking for when our habits lead us to constantly do those old things? How do we wrestle some of that down, man, that's a great question.
Speaker 3:Thanks again for having me. I'm glad I'm to be here again and, man, as we are looking into a new year, right, we're at the beginning of 2025. You know, at this point we're like. You know, we are in some new rhythms and we get to explore some new opportunities, but one of the enemies of exploration is going to be experience, and not that experience is bad. I mean, obviously, we build off experience and we look at what works and what will continue to work, but I think that there's times that we can get stuck in that, and we are at the beginning of a time that many of us either have worked through a process or we feel a very clear calling on what God is leading us to in the future and where God is calling us. Whether you work in churches like I do, I'm a lead pastor whether you work in the marketplace, whether you're a missionary, whether you're leading a missions organization, Daniel, or whether you are a stay-at-home mom, and your opportunity to lead is the little people running around, that doesn't mean there has to be any lack of vision for what God can use you to do to impact the future, and so when we talk about experience, we often look at hey, this is what we've done, this is what's worked and this is what we should expect it to work again. But the problem is, the world doesn't work that way. What used to work doesn't work anymore. What used to work doesn't work anymore.
Speaker 3:In the mid-80s, kodak was the most valuable photography brand in the world, and recently, within the last few years, they liquidated all of their assets and sold their patents because they were in complete bankruptcy. And what happened was is that they used what they experienced as their pathway to forward set in stone. Did you know that it was actually a Kodak engineer who invented the first digital camera? Seriously, it's a Kodak engineer. He invented the first digital camera. He took it to his bosses and they were like that's neat, we're going to keep doing what we've always done right. In the meantime, other companies came along and they took digital photography, and now I mean I, I and I think you too like we're recording this on phones, on digital cameras, digital lenses, uh, and we're not using kodak products. And it's because kodak didn't learn how to be flexible and how to innovate along the way.
Speaker 3:And so, regardless of if you are leading a fortune 500 company or you're leading your family. Um, we've got to learn that sometimes what we have done in the past won't always work for the future and we've got to learn new things. I think family is a great example, because when you raise kids in one season, you're leading your family and you've got to lead through like a toddler and going don't touch that, that's hot. Don't hit your brother, share no biting, that's bad. Well, if you're looking at your high school senior going no biting, that's bad, then you've probably missed a few steps. Right, we have to change as things change and we as leaders have to do this wherever we're leading, and we've got to look at flexibility and innovation to get us there.
Speaker 2:Sorry, go ahead. No, I'm with you, joel. I think the tendency for some leaders is and they look at that and they yearn for that, but maybe there's some obstacles to that process. Maybe they're sitting there going, hey look, I want to see innovation, I want to see transformation, but I only have so many resources. Right, how do we begin to kind of wrestle down this idea of I guess it's really prioritization? Right, to identify which of these you know innovations do I really pour into?
Speaker 2:Because you know, you think of the Kodak one, right? Well, they were looking at a context, going, hey, we've developed this new digital camera, but there's no way that that can take over. It's too complicated, it's too expensive, no one would spend that money. And the reality is that was true for a time, but it failed to acknowledge the direction that things were going. You know, in the same way, you know, at ILI, one of the elements we teach is culturally relevant evangelism and understanding that, as I share about Christ in different cultures and contexts, the way in which I share must adapt, but the message itself must remain the same, right? So for Kodak, the way in which they capture and share memories changes, but the fact that they're capturing and sharing memories remained the same, and so, in the same way, how do we begin to identify that prioritization? Because I've only got so much money, I've only got so much time and the vision God's given me is sitting right here in front of me.
Speaker 3:One of my favorite ideas about innovation, and even exploration and creativity in general, is that we think that creativity requires, and innovation requires, a lot of money and, to be clear, you can spend a lot of money in it, but some of the best creative solutions came about because there was a lack of money or there was a lack of time, or there was a lack of one thing or another. And so when I talk about innovation, I talk about sometimes we innovate out of a desire and sometimes we innovate out of a need, and what you don't want to do is have to innovate out of a need when you really needed to innovate two years ago, because that's how you become irrelevant and we don't want to do that, and so some of it. I think it's good. We look at the beginning of a year of our vision. We've set our SMART goals. We're willing to receive input, whether it's additive or subtractive. Now it's time to think through hey, what do we do? That's a little different. Interactive. Now it's time to think through hey, what do we do? That's a little different. And maybe you want to do the innovation and flexibility before you have input, or maybe you go back and forth. I mean, it's not set in stone. That's part of the flexibility. And so there's this idea that I have three ideas or three keys for innovation, and I think that, if you can, I say there's three keys and I think anybody can apply them. But situations change and your situation may be different, you may interpret it different.
Speaker 3:But the first thing is exploration. You've got to explore what could be. I've got a buddy who's here in where I live in Colorado, who during the pandemic he was looking for ways to spread the gospel and to have outreaches into the community, the community. Well, often how he's done that in the past is he'll rent something out or he'll do a big event where invites people into his church, and it's kind of inside base. But all of a sudden we're social distancing, we can't be inside. And so he, based out of needs, started to explore okay, where are the opportunities here? And when he was exploring, he kept driving by a dog park and thought man, I see people there all the time and people are coming and going, they can be there. It's outside. And people in Colorado have this weird love for dogs. I say that I have dogs and I love my dogs and we have this weird thing for dogs, and so he's like man. Is there anything that I can do here? So that's number one exploration.
Speaker 3:The second step is unique solutions. That's number one exploration. The second step is unique solutions. Once you're exploring the opportunities, then you go hey, what's a unique solution that would help me achieve my goal in this space?
Speaker 3:For my buddy, matt, what he did is he went hey, it's coming up to Easter, we want to do a big outreach. We can't meet inside. What if we did something Easter at the dog park where people are? What if we did a doggy Easter egg hunt? And so they fill these little plastic eggs with dog treats, hide them all over the dog park and then owners take their dogs to go find them. But here's the thing they get connection points with people at the dog park. They got people to start coming to their church through a doggy easter egg hunt.
Speaker 3:What a crazy innovative idea. It's a unique solution. But here's the thing there may have been someone who's actually thought of that before but but never did anything about it. So you explore, you, you, you, you develop unique solutions, but then you have to take action. Again, it's back to the action bias. You've got to test it and sometimes those things will be successful. Sometimes they'll be failures. Sometimes the innovation is just an innovation for you. It's not an innovation for everyone. It's already a tested innovation that you can take and apply to your situation.
Speaker 2:Joel, I think one of the things that comes to my mind as we're talking about this you talk about exploring. I think sometimes, as leaders, we explore by looking at other people's solutions.
Speaker 3:I'm a pastor. This is what we do. We go. What is our competitor doing over there?
Speaker 2:You know, I don't want to necessarily discount that, but I love the example that you gave, because it instead was looking at the people you were trying to serve. Right, you're looking across your community saying how can I meet people in the space that they're already going? Right? Look at Paul. He went to the Areopagus because that's where people were already going to discuss the ideas of the day. That's how he was able to point to this idol, this object of worship to an unknown God, and he says okay, I'm going to go ahead and tell you about this one, because you don't know the true Yahweh, the true Jehovah, jireh, the true provider who made a way.
Speaker 2:And so I wonder if, as Christian leaders, if we should actually be spending some of that exploration time really focusing in on and exploring God.
Speaker 2:What does it look like for me to advance the kingdom in the space that you've called me?
Speaker 2:So if that's in my home, I'm going to be looking at the kingdom, I'm going to so know, love and walk in an intimate relationship with Jesus, that I know who he is.
Speaker 2:And I begin to look in my home at my children and reflect and say this is a different way that I could go about helping them to see, savor and serve Jesus Christ. Or maybe I'm going to look in my market right my market segment as a business leader. In my market right my market segment as a business leader I'm going to say how do I serve my employees, my customers, my distributors or suppliers in a Christlike fashion, unlike my competition right? Or again, even as a church leader, just looking in my community and going wait a second, what is the way that I can explore the world around me and these unbelievers around me and begin to serve them? Because I think we can sometimes delude ourselves into thinking we're making progress by exploring what everybody else is doing around us and trying to adapt or adopt their systems, processes, tools, solutions, when the reality is we need to know the people that God has called us to serve. We got to spend a little time exploring in that space.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, I think that's an excellent, excellent example, if I can give you kind of an ideal or an example that comes to mind in the business world.
Speaker 3:Right, yeah, because we both are in ministry, but we both work with a lot of people who are in the business world, and I guess it doesn't have to be just business, it could be ministries or churches. One of the things that we see that I see a lot when I talk to other people is one of the goals that they frequently have is their internal culture. They want to improve their internal culture, and so people can spend a lot of money and you can bring in consultants, you can try to do the Google thing where you like, create, like this playground for people where they have cereal bars and ping pong tables and all this stuff, and we're comparing ourselves to that instead of going, hey, what do people need? And one of my favorite things and this is also a great example that innovation and flexibility doesn't require dollars. Most leaders and organizations have some level of relationship with their employees, but when they talk about culture, if they need to improve culture a lot of time, what they're saying is we need to improve relationships.
Speaker 3:What if just one day a week, instead of having a business meeting or having a lunch or doing your own thing, what if leaders of companies just started going to their break room or the place where their people congregate and with the explicit rule hey, I'm not going to talk business, I just want to hear people, I just want to ask questions, I just want to be present. That's a free thing. And some of you go. I don't really want to do that. Okay, maybe you need to start thinking about some of those innovations, and some of you may even go well, I don't know if my my employees will like that.
Speaker 3:Well, maybe that's a problem with your culture. Help lean into a culture that embraces that, and that may not work for you. It may just not feasibly be something that you do. Maybe everyone in your office works in sales and you go out for lunch, but it's things like that and it doesn't have to be these big, crazy laser light like earth shattering space X innovations. Sometimes it's just a small thing that you change, that you're flexible towards. That is a massive difference, because you are exploring what's in front of you, you're not exploring what's out there. Now, there's times to explore what's out there, sure, but it doesn't have to always be just that.
Speaker 2:Right. Well, and I think there's something that's so critical there is even in the demonstrated exploration that you're embarking upon. It demonstrates to your team an openness to new idea, an openness to change or innovation such that you aren't, and probably shouldn't be, the only source of new ideas within the organization. Rather, it should be coming from everywhere. But if you're not hearing it from others, it's probably because there's a perception that it's either unwelcome or impossible or not expected that people be thinking innovative thoughts or ideas.
Speaker 2:One of my favorite innovation concepts was actually for it was either Colgate or Crest Toothpaste, right, so it was a toothpaste company. They were in dire straits and they're like man, we've got to sell 10% more product or we're not going to make it. A janitor walks by and says well, can I make a suggestion? They said sure. He said just make the mouthpiece of the toothpaste bottle 10% larger. Nobody ever measures how much toothpaste they put on their toothbrush. They just kind of squeeze it out and put it on there and all of a sudden, everyone around the table just kind of went okay and they gave it a shot. And I'm not necessarily saying that that was redemptive business practices in that context, but it demonstrated openness, and I think it showed that they had a culture of openness. Otherwise, the janitor is not going to be saying that to the corporate board as they're sitting there trying to navigate this difficult problem. You know what I mean. There's gotta be some openness in that corporate culture in order for them to kind of see that innovation.
Speaker 2:And I think even within our homes or within our churches, we should be open to that. Right? When's the last time our children came to us with an idea of how we could celebrate Christmas in a different way? Right, you know, in America we have a season every November that we call Thanksgiving. It's just a season of gratitude or praise. And what are some ways that we can encourage or incorporate our family into that process and allow them to innovate? How we do that outreach?
Speaker 2:I think that there are opportunities within the body of Christ to really open our ears and hear. I hear this from the business community and, joel, you can affirm or deny it, but I often hear from business leaders that they have ideas but they don't always feel like the pastors are on board with some of those ideas. Right, this is how I've heard one business leader said it. He said Daniel, I'm always told come join the vision and come invest in the vision. Not, hey, we want to invest in the vision God's given you. Right, like it's always, you join us, not we join you. And I think I think, as, as Christian leaders, we've got to, we've got to engage in some of that.
Speaker 3:All right, I know I've lit something here, man, tell it to me. Okay, what that is is an example of a pastor who didn't allow for input into his vision. And this is kind of thing right For those of you who don't know the church world, at least the Western church world, often we, as lead pastors are hired and we're told hey, you've got to be the vision caster for our organization, you've got to cast the vision. And here's the thing. I kind of would love to do that, except when we went through our process. We talked about this in the last episode.
Speaker 3:When we went through our process, we took a year to pray through our vision, a whole year, and I could have sat down in a room with a whiteboard and I could have written out something that sounded great, it was quippy, it was good and everyone would have gone. That's great, that's a great vision. But what we did instead is that we incorporated our people. We invited our people into the process, we asked them to pray so they have a spiritual investment, and then we listened to what they had to say. In fact, our vision team, it wasn't me and it wasn't just our elders. We got a team of people from within the church and we all sat down, we looked at all this information and said what do we see? And what we did is we narrowed down on this idea of home. We're supposed to be home for our community. And there's this. It's a very loaded phrase when we talk about home, but that wasn't me. That was inviting people in. I was part of that, but I didn't own that. I co-signed that, that that vision for someone else. And so when, when you have people in the marketplace, or when you go to someone who are going, hey, when are you going to invest in my vision, especially in those church settings? What you're really asking for is, hey, I want to be a part of this, but this isn't what I would have done. Or, hey, I need a better connection here, like, you're asking me to help you, but I'm fine with that, but what can you do to help me fulfill what God has called me to? So I mean, I think people are listening to this all over the world. You're all going to have different priorities, you're all going to have different goals, but the single thing that unifies us is this idea of kingdom, work and and so when you're looking at at you know, keeping in mind, well, I have so many hours within the day. So you're looking at, hey, what do I need for other people to support my vision? How do I receive input? Maybe your opportunity is to flex some of those kingdom muscles and be an input source to somebody else as well, and then you're going to offer them things and then they're going to receive back.
Speaker 3:So our church, we were looking for a different mission strategy. We wanted something that we could incorporate into our weekly and monthly and annual and even multi-year mission plan. We wanted to help start changing this culture of missions, kind of just been stuck for a little bit and we've done local missions well, but we really had a heart to really branch out into international missions and I just I needed help with helping think through the strategic plan. And so I called you, daniel. I called Daniel Druski and I remember. So I'm sitting in a room right now and I'm on the second floor and I'm looking out this window. There's a sidewalk down there. I was pacing that sidewalk on the phone with Daniel and he's talking to me about missions and I'm getting fired up and like we're talking about like all the incredible things God's doing, and like I am allowing him to input, not just to my plan but to my heart and helping us and here's the cool thing helping us find innovative ways for our church, things that we've never done that we can step into, new things that we can step into fulfilling our goals to be a Matthew 28 or an Acts 1-8 church where we're taking the name of Jesus to the nations, right, and so all of these pieces work together, right? We need input that help us be flexible. We need to innovate within our organization so that we can achieve our goals. But then there's another step after this. There's actually two more steps. The next step after this is that sometimes we need to change our perspective. So let's say that we've innovated, we flexed, we've gotten input, both additive and subtractive.
Speaker 3:We've written this plan on a whiteboard.
Speaker 3:My favorite whiteboard it's actually in that room over there my favorite whiteboard is on wheels and often I will sit on a couch and I'll write out this plan and I'll look at it and I'll think about it and I'll change it and I'll draw arrows and I'll raise stuff and I'll have somebody else add put and I'll you know right over here what has never been done and I'll write all this stuff.
Speaker 3:But then there's a moment where there's kind of a working plan, right, I see the steps that I'm going to do to try to achieve this goal and goal, and I will put my hands on this whiteboard and I will physically push it away from me and it will roll across the room and I will look at that whiteboard from across the room and I cannot tell you how many times I see things differently just from adding even physical distance to my plan. Now, obviously it's an analogy for hey, take some time, let it breathe, leave for the day, come back. But even physically, sometimes, just looking at it from the other side of the room, we see things from a different perspective. And so when we have our plan, we've got to also learn how to change perspective to see what we've designed in a different way.
Speaker 2:I love that. One of the best ways I've ever heard to go through that process is actually to ask yourself what advice would you give yourself if you were the person being asked for advice on this? And so the change of perspective is actually to pull back and you say, okay, if somebody outside of myself came with this, what advice would I give them? And oftentimes it kind of allows us to be maybe a little more disconnected or just passionate enough to say some of the hard things we don't want to say Like, hey, you know what, if I were to give myself advice, it'd be actually to let that person go. It'd actually be to close down that division. It'd actually be to change.
Speaker 2:I know that that is still successful right now, but actually it's a false success, right? I heard a saying recently. I think it's from one of the Nordic countries, maybe Norway or Finland or something. But the saying was this if you're cold and you want to warm yourself up, you can pour water on yourself and maybe that'll warm you up for a while, but the reality is you're going to get cold again.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like it's going to, it's good, and so, similarly, maybe that you know that one Christmas event that you guys do every year and you've been doing it for 20 years and and, yeah, it still gets great attendance and all those things but maybe it's actually killing your people. And if you step back and you give yourself advice, you kind of change that perspective for a second. You can have the freedom to be able to say that to kind of objectively go you know what actually this thing that I think is so great, or this thing that seems to others to be undeniably awesome, is actually something that we need to step away from. So I love that, that kind of change of perspective, allowing you the freedom to really speak truth into something that maybe otherwise you wouldn't.
Speaker 3:In the last episode we talked about King David and when King David, all these failures and sins that he had and I think that there's an excellent example of this when, after David has sinned with Bathsheba, right, he's committed adultery, he's committed murder, he's done the cover up like a scandal. It's bad Nathan comes to him and he doesn't say you've done something bad. He gives him a different perspective, he tells him a story that's a similar situation and David is furious when he thinks that somebody else and then Nathan goes you're that guy.
Speaker 3:And he understands the different perspective and it changes how David responds, and so perspective change frequently. Oh God, such a cool thing that we can use to. Sometimes it's not easy, but it helps us see things in a way that will lead us forward, and then we continue to work through our strategy and plan from there. I got one more.
Speaker 2:I don't know how we are in time, but I got one more. Yeah, I was going to say, joel, let's try and kind of bring all these steps together, kind of summarize these things, kind of help us navigate this, these final steps, cause we want people out there making making changes, man going about chasing after what God's called them to do. Uh, we love that they're listening, but we want to give them the freedom to go and do it.
Speaker 3:So help help us wrap this man Okay, so we've got, we know where we're going. We have action bias, so we've started creating this plan. We've been innovative, we've been flexible, we've received input and we've changed our perspective. And this is. You know, this is maybe controversial for some. This is probably the craziest thing that people think. So keep in mind.
Speaker 3:You have this analogy of a whiteboard. You've written out your plan and you've worked through all of it. What I talk about is my secret sauce right, the things that are really important is, after you've spent all this time creating this plan, you erase the whole thing. It's the beginning of the year. You're telling me to create a plan and then get rid of the whole plan. Yes, erase the whole thing and start over. Here's why. What you see is that when you're forced to then recreate that plan, what happens is the things that are really valuable and really important rise to the top and you don't have any problem writing them down again, and if everything is really important, somehow miraculously everything shows back up.
Speaker 3:I also I joke in the book when I talk about this is that I've got a lot of pictures of whiteboards because I do this. But I'm also terrified I'm going to forget something. So sometimes I'll erase it and I'll rewrite the plan. I'll be like this is a great plan. Oh, there was something I really liked. What was it? What was it, what was it.
Speaker 3:And I give myself a little out to go like, okay, sure, sure. But here's the thing. It's this weird forced prioritization, and sometimes prioritizing is difficult and we go, we think these are good, but what do we do? First, how do we put this in place? And you really position yourself in a place that you force the things that are most valuable to you to come out. And it's not a perfect system. That's why I take pictures of whiteboards all the time. But it is a practical step that you can take. If you write your, I mean, you don't have to erase a whiteboard, you just get another piece of paper, write your plan down, open it for a document, whatever it is. But I think trying to do it from memory is really the important thing, because there's a value set in it that helps you understand more about who you are. And then here's the thing you can rinse and repeat this. You can go through the whole process. You can continue to plan, you can go over and over. There's a point where you have to put the plan in action.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:And you can have an action bias to plan but lack an action bias to put your plan in place. You've got to do both right You've got to create that plan and you've got to do something about it. And what I find when I do this is that those changing perspective and that's prioritizing the things that are important help bring such clarity to how I can put that plan in action. And then you know I'm still doing it. So at some level I think it's a good enough process, but I really do.
Speaker 3:I believe and hear me, I know that your leaders are listening all over the world and you may have heard something to go. Yeah, that's great, but that's not my situation. Hear me when I say wherever you are leading, wherever your goals, especially your kingdom minded goals, especially spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ, you can be one person and you can still apply this to the goal of having one person come to know Jesus. I mean, I earnestly believe this is scalable up or down to any size organization or family or friendship or church or business, and I think that if you can apply these principles, it'll position you at the beginning of the year to at the end of the year. Look back and go, man. We planned some incredible things, but we also allowed God into this space to do some incredible things through this.
Speaker 2:Amen, Joel. I love that heart and I love this idea of whiteboard leadership, where you're starting from this position of going. Okay, Lord, what have you got in front of us? Where are you calling us to move, act, work and lead? I love your heart behind that and I just want to thank you so much for taking the time to walk through some of these things with us as leaders.
Speaker 2:As we come to a close, I just want to say to each of the leaders that have been listening God has an incredible vision and purpose for your life. God wants to see you faithfully fulfilling that purpose and calling, because that brings him glory, it helps us to find our greatest joy and satisfaction in him and it helps to advance the kingdom so that every person in the world can see and experience the hope found in Jesus Christ alone. I hope these conversations have been inspirational, like giving you some practical steps and tools, but if you're a leader who's going, I see this vision that God's calling me to and I need some more equipping. I'm still missing some key elements. Or maybe you're a leader who simply is sitting there going or, excuse me, maybe you're a believer who's sitting there going I don't even know my purpose and calling. I don't know how I fit into any of this. I want you to know that the International Leadership Institute is here to walk that journey with you.
Speaker 2:For the past 26 years we have helped more than 400,000 leaders across more than a hundred nations of the world discover the eight core values of the most faithful Christian leaders, men and women who recognize God has given them influence in the life of others and they're using that influence to advance the kingdom in their context Some planting churches, others opening businesses, some starting orphanages and others simply reaching out to their neighbor, their children and sharing the hope of Jesus Christ. If you want to discover those eight core values for yourself, you can go to iliteamorg, get connected in and help learn about those ways so that, as we follow Jesus, we'll begin to see the kingdom advance and that gospel accelerate to the ends of the earth. Joel, thank you for your heart. Thank you for the heart of Lighthouse Church to be a home for people there in Parker, Colorado. So thankful for your heart for Ministry, Brother, and the way that you are making disciples who make disciples. We love you, man. Thank you for your time today. Yeah, Thanks for having me, Absolutely. We'll see you guys next time.